Wednesday, March 18, 2009

$300 under ev in 1200 hands of .25/.50

what the efff.

Not to mention the cold decks where I was a substantial favorite getting a large portion of money in, and then either drawing dead or very slim when the rest in.

crazy, my head's spinning.

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

shippopotamus on getting max value

Although I may not be running that great lately, I feel like my ability to read hands and make good value bets is easily the best of any player at the .25/.50 NL level. Determining whether or not to make a value bet is based on all of the information that you have before you. The following things are what I really considered deeply when wondering if I should bet and how much:

1) Position
2) Stack sizes
3) How many players
4) Who are those players (ranges & tendencies)
5) Board texture
6) Hand representation
7) My image

Here's a couple recent hands and my thoughts:

http://weaktight.com/897775

A weak player limps, and a good player in the CutOff raises for what I believe is isolation purposes. I don't want to raise the bad player out and play heads up vs the strong player so I elect to call, sb calls, limper calls. I flop TPGK, and the good player leads for 2/3 pot which is no surprise as his CBET is 100%. I don't think raising is a terrible play, but calling to see what the bad players do is way more optimal in my opinion, because if one of them raises I will fold. Both players behind fold. On the turn the CO checks over to me and that's when I really start to go through my best value routine in my head:

1) I've got position on him, he's giving away his chance to bet again.
2) The pot is $20 and the effective stack size is $42 a pot size bet commits me and never folds his strongest hands should he have been tricky and checked to me with AA, AK, 99. I don't think there's much value in making a big bet here.
3) He bet into 3 other players, so I think he's got something.
4) The other players were donkeys, who pay off a lot, if he thinks he could get value from them with hands I beat like KJ, KT, . Villain is a pretty good 24/21/5.0 player.
5) The board presents gutshot straight draws and also a flush draw, if he had a set, AA, or AK he would probably continue firing. If he had a combo draw I don't see him checking to me either.
6) By calling on the flop I haven't really given away the strength of my hand at all. I could have a pair of Kings, a pocket pair, maybe A9, but most likely a flush draw type hand.
7) I've been playing a ton of hands and hardly ever giving up my button.

This leads me to bet out 1/3 pot to keep everything I can beat in the hand - KJ, KT, QQ, JJ, and I'm not too worried about him having a flush draw. By betting $7, I make it look a little bluffy to get calls from all sorts of his range and I'm creating a SPR of 1 on the river if he calls.

On the river he checks to me so I go through the routine again.

1) He gave up his very last chance to get value from his biggest hands, so I'm no longer worried about them.
2) The effect stack is the same size as the pot.
3)I've only got to beat one player
4) I no longer think he has a set, AA, or AK. So either he has KJ, KT, QQ, JJ, TT or a missed flush. I'm beating 100% of the current range I'm putting him on.
5) The river bricked every single draw and the only way the river changes anything is if I had a hand like a pair of 5s and a flush draw.
6) By calling on the flop, and making a small bet on the turn I think I've created some doubt in his head that I might have a flush draw. This is the perfect river card to bluff on because he will be thinking either I flopped a set with 99 or I'm bluffing.
7) I'm really really bluffy.

Conclusion, easy shove and hope he calls with QQ.

http://weaktight.com/898166

In this hand, the button player is really fishy, so I decide to isolate from the SB with T9o and really deep stacks. I c-bet the flop and he calls which indicates that he has any pair or any draw. The turn gives me top pair, which I'm pretty sure is the best hand. So I bet a little more than half because I want to get money in but I don't want to balloon the pot so much. The river brings a K which is sort of scary but I go through my drill.

1) He has position on me.
2) There's $31 in the pot and we have $75 left, I don't think I ever win if I bet a huge amount and he calls, and I don't think he ever raises the river as a bluff.
3) Pot has been heads up the whole way.
4) Opponent is fishy and is range includes all flush draws, all straight draws and all pairs. I beat all of the pairs he made on flop and I still have the draws beaten unless he had hearts with a King.
5) All of the straights bricked, and the flush bricked which indicates that I should check/call the river to get him to bluff at it. The problem with check calling is that this opponent is not overly aggressive and when he bets, he bets large. Even though checking and calling is definitely profitable, I think I have way more value in betting and getting called by the weaker pairs that he flopped.
6) The board isn't conducive to hitting my range of hands that I would raise with preflop, so if he thinks I'm was bluffing the turn, he's definitely going to think that I might be bluffing the river.
7) I don't think my image matters all that much here, but I do tend to go from start to finish with bluffs a lot.

Conclusion: Bet to block/get thin value.

More to come, but position is easily the most important when I determine whether or not I'm going to value bet. When you act last on the river you have that last piece of information that your opponent isn't positive whether or not they have the best hand. They basically tell you that they have either this, this, this or this. When you're out of position, you really need to know your opponent in and out.

How to run bad:

Step one, get coolered:
http://weaktight.com/895187
http://weaktight.com/897700
http://weaktight.com/897750

Step two, play horrible:
http://weaktight.com/897703
http://weaktight.com/897748
http://weaktight.com/897750

Step three, get caught with your pants down every time you make a play:
http://weaktight.com/897742
http://weaktight.com/897752
http://weaktight.com/897753
http://weaktight.com/897757

Step four, FTP decides to check min-raise while you reload your chips wtf:
http://weaktight.com/897754

Step five, take awesome bad beats:
http://weaktight.com/895186
http://weaktight.com/897764

Step six, never play a 3-bet pot with AA.

Step seven, whine a ton and pretend like I played really good.

I think I need to write, stop, think, react on my hand.

Friday, March 6, 2009

Pot Limit Omaha for Advanced Players

Full Tilt Poker Game #11002286801: Table Diazo (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 20:18:41 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: Aginarikar ($33.36)
Seat 2: zidadi ($19.19)
Seat 3: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($37.61)
Seat 4: PKRWANAB ($21.82)
Seat 5: SketchE ($24.40)
Seat 6: ifsheonlyknew ($11.29)
SHIPPOPOTAMUS posts the small blind of $0.10
PKRWANAB posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [Qs Ad 8h 2d]
SketchE folds
ifsheonlyknew calls $0.25
Aginarikar folds
zidadi calls $0.25
SketchE is feeling confused
SHIPPOPOTAMUS calls $0.15
PKRWANAB checks
*** FLOP *** [2c 8d 9d]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $0.75
PKRWANAB calls $0.75
ifsheonlyknew folds
zidadi calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [2c 8d 9d] [4s]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
PKRWANAB bets $3.25
zidadi folds
SHIPPOPOTAMUS calls $3.25
*** RIVER *** [2c 8d 9d 4s] [3h]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
PKRWANAB bets $6
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has requested TIME
SHIPPOPOTAMUS calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PKRWANAB shows [9s Td Jc 5d] a pair of Nines
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows [Qs Ad 8h 2d] two pair, Eights and Twos
SHIPPOPOTAMUS wins the pot ($20.67) with two pair, Eights and Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.75 | Rake $1.08
Board: [2c 8d 9d 4s 3h]
Seat 1: Aginarikar didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: zidadi (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: SHIPPOPOTAMUS (small blind) showed [Qs Ad 8h 2d] and won ($20.67) with two pair, Eights and Twos
Seat 4: PKRWANAB (big blind) showed [9s Td Jc 5d] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 5: SketchE didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ifsheonlyknew folded on the Flop

Full Tilt Poker Game #11003236570: Table Joust (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 21:18:18 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: OmahaBFish ($58.82)
Seat 2: gusost ($26.44)
Seat 3: qwerty525 ($7.24)
Seat 4: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($27.81)
Seat 5: ciropimenta ($11.08)
Seat 6: 32Boom ($24.67)
OmahaBFish posts the small blind of $0.10
gusost posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [5c 4h As 6s]
qwerty525 folds
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $0.85
ciropimenta calls $0.85
32Boom calls $0.85
OmahaBFish calls $0.75
gusost folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd 3c 4c]
OmahaBFish checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
ciropimenta bets $1.82
32Boom calls $1.82
OmahaBFish folds
SHIPPOPOTAMUS calls $1.82
*** TURN *** [Kd 3c 4c] [Jc]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
ciropimenta checks
32Boom checks
*** RIVER *** [Kd 3c 4c Jc] [7d]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
ciropimenta checks
32Boom bets $4.55
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has requested TIME
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $22.76
ciropimenta folds
32Boom has 15 seconds left to act
32Boom folds
Uncalled bet of $18.21 returned to SHIPPOPOTAMUS
SHIPPOPOTAMUS mucks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS wins the pot ($17.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18.21 | Rake $0.91
Board: [Kd 3c 4c Jc 7d]
Seat 1: OmahaBFish (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: gusost (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: qwerty525 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SHIPPOPOTAMUS collected ($17.30), mucked
Seat 5: ciropimenta folded on the River
Seat 6: 32Boom (button) folded on the River

Full Tilt Poker Game #11003705204: Table Trade (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 21:47:10 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($34.29)
Seat 2: loveedovees ($11.37)
Seat 3: Sky Dumont ($24.19)
Seat 4: steve619 ($41.44)
Seat 5: Kid_Quick34 ($25.50)
Seat 6: bubbub ($25)
loveedovees posts the small blind of $0.10
Sky Dumont posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
bubbub posts $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [6c Js Ac 2s]
steve619 folds
Kid_Quick34 has 15 seconds left to act
Kid_Quick34 folds
bubbub checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $1.10
loveedovees folds
Sky Dumont folds
bubbub calls $0.85
*** FLOP *** [7s 8h Qd]
bubbub checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $2
bubbub calls $2
*** TURN *** [7s 8h Qd] [2c]
bubbub checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $4
bubbub calls $4
*** RIVER *** [7s 8h Qd 2c] [Ks]
bubbub checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $8.50
bubbub has 15 seconds left to act
bubbub calls $8.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows [6c Js Ac 2s] a pair of Twos
bubbub shows [Tc 9c Kh 3c] a pair of Kings
bubbub wins the pot ($29.98) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31.55 | Rake $1.57
Board: [7s 8h Qd 2c Ks]
Seat 1: SHIPPOPOTAMUS (button) showed [6c Js Ac 2s] and lost with a pair of Twos
Seat 2: loveedovees (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Sky Dumont (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: steve619 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Kid_Quick34 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: bubbub showed [Tc 9c Kh 3c] and won ($29.98) with a pair of Kings

Full Tilt Poker Game #11004001110: Table Kent (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:05:42 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: finalscore38 ($22.88)
Seat 2: scv1572 ($35.87)
Seat 3: keegs22 ($25.10)
Seat 4: Moroes88 ($27.23)
Seat 5: loveedovees ($29.88)
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($39.59)
finalscore38 posts the small blind of $0.10
scv1572 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [Qc Js Jc 2c]
keegs22 folds
Moroes88 calls $0.25
loveedovees calls $0.25
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $1.35
finalscore38 folds
scv1572 folds
Moroes88 calls $1.10
loveedovees folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s 4c]
Moroes88 checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $2.75
Moroes88 raises to $11.55
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $37.95
Moroes88 calls $14.33, and is all in
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows [Qc Js Jc 2c]
Moroes88 shows [4d 2d 8s 6s]
Uncalled bet of $12.07 returned to SHIPPOPOTAMUS
*** TURN *** [Jh 2s 4c] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2s 4c 5h] [Th]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows three of a kind, Jacks
Moroes88 shows two pair, Fours and Twos
SHIPPOPOTAMUS wins the pot ($52.31) with three of a kind, Jacks
Moroes88 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $55.06 | Rake $2.75
Board: [Jh 2s 4c 5h Th]
Seat 1: finalscore38 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: scv1572 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: keegs22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Moroes88 showed [4d 2d 8s 6s] and lost with two pair, Fours and Twos
Seat 5: loveedovees folded before the Flop
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS (button) showed [Qc Js Jc 2c] and won ($52.31) with three of a kind, Jacks

Full Tilt Poker Game #11004252912: Table Kent (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:21:40 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: finalscore38 ($21.18)
Seat 2: scv1572 ($63.26)
Seat 3: keegs22 ($66.55)
Seat 4: Moroes88 ($16.45)
Seat 5: loveedovees ($18.93)
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($54.51)
loveedovees has 5 seconds left to act
loveedovees is sitting out
loveedovees has timed out
SHIPPOPOTAMUS posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [Jc 9c 3h Jh]
finalscore38 calls $0.25
scv1572 raises to $1
keegs22 has 15 seconds left to act
keegs22 folds
Moroes88 calls $1
SHIPPOPOTAMUS calls $0.75
finalscore38 calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [5s Js 6d]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
finalscore38 checks
scv1572 bets $4
Moroes88 calls $4
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $20
finalscore38 folds
scv1572 folds
Moroes88 calls $11.45, and is all in
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows [Jc 9c 3h Jh]
Moroes88 shows [7s 5h Qs Th]
Uncalled bet of $4.55 returned to SHIPPOPOTAMUS
*** TURN *** [5s Js 6d] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [5s Js 6d 2c] [6h]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows a full house, Jacks full of Sixes
Moroes88 shows two pair, Sixes and Fives
SHIPPOPOTAMUS wins the pot ($36.96) with a full house, Jacks full of Sixes
Moroes88 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $38.90 | Rake $1.94
Board: [5s Js 6d 2c 6h]
Seat 1: finalscore38 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: scv1572 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: keegs22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Moroes88 (button) showed [7s 5h Qs Th] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fives
Seat 5: loveedovees is sitting out
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS (big blind) showed [Jc 9c 3h Jh] and won ($36.96) with a full house, Jacks full of Sixes

Full Tilt Poker Game #11004349737: Table Kent (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:27:48 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: zaphodbeeblbrox ($22.50)
Seat 2: scv1572 ($85.79)
Seat 3: keegs22 ($50.60)
Seat 4: Moroes88 ($37.11)
Seat 5: loveedovees ($18.93), is sitting out
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($74.92)
keegs22 posts the small blind of $0.10
Moroes88 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [Ah 3h 7s Ac]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $0.85
zaphodbeeblbrox has 15 seconds left to act
zaphodbeeblbrox folds
scv1572 folds
keegs22 raises to $2.80
Moroes88 calls $2.55
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS calls $1.95
*** FLOP *** [8d 2h 7c]
keegs22 bets $4.20
Moroes88 calls $4.20
SHIPPOPOTAMUS calls $4.20
*** TURN *** [8d 2h 7c] [3d]
keegs22 checks
Moroes88 checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $13
keegs22 has 15 seconds left to act
keegs22 folds
Moroes88 calls $13
*** RIVER *** [8d 2h 7c 3d] [Qd]
Moroes88 bets $17.11, and is all in
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has requested TIME
SHIPPOPOTAMUS folds
Uncalled bet of $17.11 returned to Moroes88
Moroes88 mucks
Moroes88 wins the pot ($44.65)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47 | Rake $2.35
Board: [8d 2h 7c 3d Qd]
Seat 1: zaphodbeeblbrox didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: scv1572 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: keegs22 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Moroes88 (big blind) collected ($44.65), mucked
Seat 5: loveedovees is sitting out
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS folded on the River

Full Tilt Poker Game #11004704894: Table Weak (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:50:34 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: BMeisterO ($25)
Seat 2: DoubleTurds ($8.05)
Seat 3: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($24.15)
Seat 4: Swampyyy ($41.05)
Seat 5: Dunky23 ($28.19)
Seat 6: PatroRocks ($19.40), is sitting out
DoubleTurds posts the small blind of $0.10
SHIPPOPOTAMUS posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [9s 8d 7d Ah]
Swampyyy calls $0.25
Dunky23 folds
BMeisterO folds
DoubleTurds calls $0.15
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 6h 7c]
DoubleTurds checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $0.60
Swampyyy calls $0.60
DoubleTurds folds
*** TURN *** [7s 6h 7c] [5d]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $1.60
Swampyyy has 15 seconds left to act
Swampyyy calls $1.60
*** RIVER *** [7s 6h 7c 5d] [7h]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
Swampyyy bets $5.15
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has requested TIME
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $20.60
Swampyyy calls $15.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows [9s 8d 7d Ah] four of a kind, Sevens
Swampyyy mucks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS wins the pot ($44.04) with four of a kind, Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $46.35 | Rake $2.31
Board: [7s 6h 7c 5d 7h]
Seat 1: BMeisterO (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: DoubleTurds (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: SHIPPOPOTAMUS (big blind) showed [9s 8d 7d Ah] and won ($44.04) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 4: Swampyyy mucked [9c Td 3d 3c] - a full house, Sevens full of Threes
Seat 5: Dunky23 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: PatroRocks is sitting out

Full Tilt Poker Game #11004823339: Table Kent (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:58:11 ET - 2009/03/06
Seat 1: zaphodbeeblbrox ($36.59)
Seat 2: scv1572 ($127.08)
Seat 3: ChMerlot ($25)
Seat 4: Moroes88 ($60.05)
Seat 5: BMeisterO ($25)
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS ($53.96)
ChMerlot posts the small blind of $0.10
Moroes88 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHIPPOPOTAMUS [7c 9d 5d 5c]
BMeisterO folds
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $0.85
zaphodbeeblbrox calls $0.85
scv1572 calls $0.85
ChMerlot calls $0.75
Moroes88 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [Jc 2c 8h]
ChMerlot checks
Moroes88 checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS checks
zaphodbeeblbrox checks
scv1572 checks
*** TURN *** [Jc 2c 8h] [6s]
ChMerlot checks
Moroes88 checks
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $3
zaphodbeeblbrox has 15 seconds left to act
zaphodbeeblbrox calls $3
scv1572 calls $3
ChMerlot adds $0.85
ChMerlot folds
Moroes88 folds
*** RIVER *** [Jc 2c 8h 6s] [4h]
SHIPPOPOTAMUS has 15 seconds left to act
SHIPPOPOTAMUS bets $13.25
zaphodbeeblbrox has 15 seconds left to act
zaphodbeeblbrox raises to $26.50
scv1572 folds
SHIPPOPOTAMUS raises to $39.75
zaphodbeeblbrox calls $6.24, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $7.01 returned to SHIPPOPOTAMUS
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SHIPPOPOTAMUS shows [7c 9d 5d 5c] a straight, Eight high
zaphodbeeblbrox shows [Qd 5h Kd 7d] a straight, Eight high
SHIPPOPOTAMUS ties for the pot ($37.87) with a straight, Eight high
zaphodbeeblbrox ties for the pot ($37.86) with a straight, Eight high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $78.73 | Rake $3
Board: [Jc 2c 8h 6s 4h]
Seat 1: zaphodbeeblbrox showed [Qd 5h Kd 7d] and won ($37.86) with a straight, Eight high
Seat 2: scv1572 (button) folded on the River
Seat 3: ChMerlot (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Moroes88 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: BMeisterO didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: SHIPPOPOTAMUS showed [7c 9d 5d 5c] and won ($37.87) with a straight, Eight high

Thursday, March 5, 2009

Goals for March

1. Get really comfortable playing a really loose and aggressive full-stacked PLO game at $25 PLO and then move up to $50.

2. Continue fucking shit up at NL